Comments on: Wisconsin Concealed Carry: Sell-Out Exposed http://wisconsingunowners.org/2011/05/10/wisconsin-concealed-carry-sell-out-exposed/ Wisconsin's Only No-Compromise Gun Lobby Sat, 14 Apr 2012 13:36:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jeff Tardif http://wisconsingunowners.org/2011/05/10/wisconsin-concealed-carry-sell-out-exposed/#comment-13132 Jeff Tardif Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:09:47 +0000 http://wisconsingunowners.org/?p=667#comment-13132 Boy, things are going bad for you folks in Wisconsin with the proposed bill. The way things went last time, (I was a Wi resident then)I didn't see much hope for the future for CC. Good luck! I'll keep checking up on the story. Boy, things are going bad for you folks in Wisconsin with the proposed bill. The way things went last time, (I was a Wi resident then)I didn’t see much hope for the future for CC. Good luck! I’ll keep checking up on the story.

]]> By: gene willis http://wisconsingunowners.org/2011/05/10/wisconsin-concealed-carry-sell-out-exposed/#comment-13118 gene willis Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:19:26 +0000 http://wisconsingunowners.org/?p=667#comment-13118 please excuse my typos,i ment to say Rome.ha,ha! please excuse my typos,i ment to say Rome.ha,ha!

]]> By: gene willis http://wisconsingunowners.org/2011/05/10/wisconsin-concealed-carry-sell-out-exposed/#comment-13117 gene willis Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:17:48 +0000 http://wisconsingunowners.org/?p=667#comment-13117 big daddy is going to be watching us.constatutional carry in wisconsin is not what was perpossed.limited carry was the soul purpose for the right to carry and protect ones own life.wisconsin will never be a free society.roam has come home to roost. big daddy is going to be watching us.constatutional carry in wisconsin is not what was perpossed.limited carry was the soul purpose for the right to carry and protect ones own life.wisconsin will never be a free society.roam has come home to roost.

]]> By: John Pierman http://wisconsingunowners.org/2011/05/10/wisconsin-concealed-carry-sell-out-exposed/#comment-12756 John Pierman Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:32:04 +0000 http://wisconsingunowners.org/?p=667#comment-12756 Immigrants stopped landing on Ellis Island back in 1954, when it was closed as an immigration processing center. Today it is a museum, and I believe it is a National Landmark. Immigrants stopped landing on Ellis Island back in 1954, when it was closed as an immigration processing center. Today it is a museum, and I believe it is a National Landmark.

]]> By: John http://wisconsingunowners.org/2011/05/10/wisconsin-concealed-carry-sell-out-exposed/#comment-12692 John Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:22:21 +0000 http://wisconsingunowners.org/?p=667#comment-12692 "What’s more, every immigrant landing on Ellis Island applying for U.S. Citizenship is required to understand these basic concepts. But state republicans just don’t get it." This is false. Ellis Island closed as an immigration station in 1954. “What’s more, every immigrant landing on Ellis Island applying for U.S. Citizenship is required to understand these basic concepts. But state republicans just don’t get it.”

This is false. Ellis Island closed as an immigration station in 1954.

]]> By: James johnson http://wisconsingunowners.org/2011/05/10/wisconsin-concealed-carry-sell-out-exposed/#comment-12590 James johnson Wed, 15 Jun 2011 03:43:51 +0000 http://wisconsingunowners.org/?p=667#comment-12590 Why is it so difficult to understand the importance of good people having the right and ability to protect themselves? As a Veteran and a citizen, common sense indicates the risk of the criminal element having historically demonstrated its continued ability to inflict itself on the innocent, unprotected, and unsuspecting. Our prisons are over crowed, the court system inefficiency is exacerbated by being over loaded, law enforcement is under staffed and unable to protect civilians having an ability to react only. Yet the solution the political environment projects is gun control, that does absolutely zero in controlling the criminal element, as the previous sentence reflects the true outcome of it's effectiveness. It only sets the stage to further establish the criminal elements foothold on those who have no legal means to protect themselves. Individuals need to take responsibility for educating themselves in the proper care in handling of weapons to minimize the accidents, and then demonstrate there safe use as a tools they were meant to be use for; protection, hunting, target shooting, and collecting. Most of my life I've carried never having to use a weapon, other than in Iraq, and never wanting the need to arise for it's use. The feeling has always been; better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. I wish it were a perfect world, but it is not so and until someone I trust to protect my family and me, I prefer to have the ability to protect myself. I am sure anyone placed in a situation were the criminal element threatens your life or the life of a family member, there honest feeling would be straight forward...I should have the right and the freedom to protect my family and oneself. Why is it so difficult to understand the importance of good people having the right and ability to protect themselves? As a Veteran and a citizen, common sense indicates the risk of the criminal element having historically demonstrated its continued ability to inflict itself on the innocent, unprotected, and unsuspecting.

Our prisons are over crowed, the court system inefficiency is exacerbated by being over loaded, law enforcement is under staffed and unable to protect civilians having an ability to react only.

Yet the solution the political environment projects is gun control, that does absolutely zero in controlling the criminal element, as the previous sentence reflects the true outcome of it’s effectiveness. It only sets the stage to further establish the criminal elements foothold on those who have no legal means to protect themselves.

Individuals need to take responsibility for educating themselves in the proper care in handling of weapons to minimize the accidents, and then demonstrate there safe use as a tools they were meant to be use for; protection, hunting, target shooting, and collecting.

Most of my life I’ve carried never having to use a weapon, other than in Iraq, and never wanting the need to arise for it’s use. The feeling has always been; better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

I wish it were a perfect world, but it is not so and until someone I trust to protect my family and me, I prefer to have the ability to protect myself. I am sure anyone placed in a situation were the criminal element threatens your life or the life of a family member, there honest feeling would be straight forward…I should have the right and the freedom to protect my family and oneself.

]]> By: Louis Pryor http://wisconsingunowners.org/2011/05/10/wisconsin-concealed-carry-sell-out-exposed/#comment-12345 Louis Pryor Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:54:32 +0000 http://wisconsingunowners.org/?p=667#comment-12345 "Constitutional carry" may be a great and correct concept, but the unfortunate reality is that our world requires everyone to have a scrap of paper or plastic to prove their existence (drivers' licenses, passports, ad nauseum). Even if Wisconsin passed a true "Constitutional Carry" law now, how would those who carry weapons be able address other states' requirements for that paper or plastic when traveling interstate or simply going to a U.S. national park (there are two in Wisconsin)? Nonetheless, with a foot in the door (a carry permit system); there is an opportunity to begin a process to mitigate or remove regulations everywhere. And, that will be a real struggle. Since we are in a democracy, there will always be struggles for balance on issues - and for any issue there is always someone with a different philosophy or point of view. In the case of constitutional carry, for example, many police chiefs have come out against concealed carry. Keep campaigning. That is what the ani-gun folks do. “Constitutional carry” may be a great and correct concept, but the unfortunate reality is that our world requires everyone to have a scrap of paper or plastic to prove their existence (drivers’ licenses, passports, ad nauseum). Even if Wisconsin passed a true “Constitutional Carry” law now, how would those who carry weapons be able address other states’ requirements for that paper or plastic when traveling interstate or simply going to a U.S. national park (there are two in Wisconsin)?

Nonetheless, with a foot in the door (a carry permit system); there is an opportunity to begin a process to mitigate or remove regulations everywhere. And, that will be a real struggle. Since we are in a democracy, there will always be struggles for balance on issues – and for any issue there is always someone with a different philosophy or point of view. In the case of constitutional carry, for example, many police chiefs have come out against concealed carry.

Keep campaigning. That is what the ani-gun folks do.

]]> By: Jason http://wisconsingunowners.org/2011/05/10/wisconsin-concealed-carry-sell-out-exposed/#comment-11102 Jason Tue, 24 May 2011 18:55:23 +0000 http://wisconsingunowners.org/?p=667#comment-11102 Is representive Mursau not one of the original sponsors of SB93? Is representive Mursau not one of the original sponsors of SB93?

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